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Monday, May 09, 2005

Hal Netkin's mini-me and the FAKE RECALL

Yesterday a former UCLA student named Andrew Jones decided to oppose mayoral candidate Antonio Villaraigosa.

It seems Andrew Jones and Hal Netkin come from the same racist tree -- when Andrew was a student at UCLA he had a little column he liked to write for the school paper. Let's recall some of those articles.

Sexual Darwinism

Sexual Darwinism has been the main factor in the creation of a slut-stud double-standard. In nature, the female practices selectivity, while the male attempts to impregnate as many females as possible. As much as we wish it weren't so, humans cannot shake their biological heritage.
...
You might ask what responsibility men must bear in sexual relationships. Essentially none. Some might view the constant responsibility of women to be choosy about sex a burden. But responsibility is also power. The ability to say yes or no to a man's constant entreaties for sex is a true, concrete version of female power. The Daily Bruin 4/17/02



He called a black student a "monkey" on an online bulletin board

Jones said he posted that student voters would stick to Student Empowerment! like "stink on a monkey" and said Neal was "a damn liar" in reply to a posting Neal had put up. Although Neal dismissed the incident as unimportant, he felt the "monkey" reference was addressed specifically to him and was inappropriate. "That's traditionally a negative way to talk about African Americans," said Neal, who is black.

He wrote that homosexuals were responsible for the spread of AIDS

The truth is this: the power to control the epidemic was in the hands of those contracting the disease. But because the means of controlling AIDS – modification of sexual activity – struck at the core of how the community defined itself, radical gay leaders chose instead to ignore the disease, take deliberately ineffective action, and attack irrelevancies. AIDS arrived shortly after "gay liberation" during which radicals first achieved rank and prestige. Typical were liberationists like Edmund White – author of "The Joy of Gay Sex" – who pushed promiscuity as a means of freedom, crowing, "Gay men should wear their sexually transmitted diseases like red badges of courage in a war against a sex-negative society." The first group that contracted AIDS had taken such ideas to heart, averaging 1,000 sexual contacts per year per person (David Horowitz, "Radical Son"). Odds of contraction for gay men were higher due to the abrasive nature of anal sex, which opens internal lesions ripe for infection.


And argued against hate crime legislation:

We need less, not more, separatism. Hate crime legislation only serves the goals of the totalitarian leftist by heightening the division along racial and identity lines, which will eventually destroy the civility which binds us together.

I wonder if the Hahn campaign has introduced Andrew Jones to Ethel Bradley or Nate Holden.

Registrar of Voters Declares the Recall DEAD

It appears MEAT was correct the entire time regarding the recall. Today the clerks office denied the recall it's place on the ballot -- seems like Eliseo and his zany cohorts were unable to convince the voters of CD 14 to write their names on a sheet to recall Tony Villar.

Message to the fake recall supporters -- perhaps if you stopped blogging on this site -- and went out into the streets to collect some signature your numbers might have been better.

Just a suggestion from an old Chief.

35 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Recall is not needed, Villaraigosa is going to lose, and then let's see what happens when he faces the residents of CD 14, that will be the bigger punishment he will get.

May 09, 2005 11:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

From Eliseo Villanueva.

The Recall is real. We gathered close to 8,000 signatures, not enough to qualify for the upcoming election. It was a good and justified effort by the CD 14th community. In the event that Mr.Villaraigosa loses the race to Mr Hahn. We will pitition the Mr Villaraigosa from being our counselmen in the 14th district.(This is the other option we have, as per the City Clerk Election Divsion office) I like to thank everyone whom signed the pitition and all those whom have supported the recall effort.
Thank you all

Eliseo Villanueva

May 09, 2005 11:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So what's the "good" news for ADV... only 11,000 angry pissed-off voters in his district?

10,000?

9,000?

It's ALL bad news for the hometown boys who swears everyone at home loves him and he's been a GREAT CM.

HA!!

May 09, 2005 11:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The rumor about new Hahn signs being in Mexican flag colors is bogus, but even more embarrassing are Antonio's new supersized name-recognition banners. He must have really taken that Times article seriously - about people not voting for a candidate when they can't pronouce his name.

But why, Antonio? Why would you print banners showing people how to say your name and use a POCHO Spanglish pronunication?

We both know these gavachos are stupid -- but any group that spells "phonetics" un-phonetically should be able to master a Spanish double vowel sound with just a bit of help.

I'm disapointed, Carne... call me.

NATIVO LO-PEST

May 09, 2005 11:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Re: the Recall

If I run a race, and give it everything I've got, but still don't win, am I a "fake" contestant?

Was Villaraigosa a "fake" candidate in 2001 because he came up short and lost to a "boring" opponent?

We know he's been a "fake" councilmember for two years, and that was after winning.

The "fake" here is obvious, and it wasn't the people trying to hold Villaraigosa to a higher standard than he would ever hold himself:

"Un hombre de su palabra!"

VIVA HAHN!!!

May 09, 2005 11:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is still totally wrong, and the recall was not fake. More than half the requiered signatures (15,000)were obtained in the 14th district.

May 09, 2005 11:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Only 8,000 signatures, and none of them verified?

It is a fact that at least 20% of all signatures on petitions (I know how to spell the word, Eliseo) are proven not to be registered voters.

The requirement was 15% of the registered voters in the district.

With the 20% factor, you would have needed over 15,000 signatures, you barely made it over half, what with all the fanfare and blogging, people should have beaten down your doors to sign, IF they really felt that way. "IF", I said, IF they felt that way.

Clearly, they didn't.

So, don't try to spin your failure as some sort of a triumph. It wasn't.

Like the man said, if you folks would have spent less time blogging and more time knocking on doors, maybe you could have succeeded. Or at least gotten a whole lot closer.

All you did was underline for all to see how ineffectual your group is, and how strong Antonio is in the Community and in CD 14.

The recall attempt has failed. Antonio has beaten you without lifting a finger. And you can go to sleep on election night knowing that you have helped him to become the first Mexican American Mayor of Los Angeles in the modern age.

Muchas gracias, Eliseo; Mille Gracias Eliseo.

Eliseo no esta El Rey.

Now go back and study your spelling.

May 09, 2005 11:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

8,000 registered voters signed a poorly funded, valiantly fought recall effort!

ADV is looking more and more bogus every day. Isn't that about half as many votes as he actually GOT in the district in the primary?

And the primary was in ALL the newspapers -- while the recall was basically ignored and had to fight for recognition, the hard way - door-to-door!

Good effort Eliseo et al. You have helped to show the "paper Tony" for what he is... not a servant of his community, just an opportunistic conman man looking for a bigger paycheck.

ANOTHER nail in ADV's coffin. ANother shovel of dirt on the lid, another affadavit of discontent.

Bogus, bogus "progresive" - ADV, who can't get ANYTHING done in two years.

Postal workers are held to a higher standard than he is for job performance.

May 09, 2005 11:40 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

How can Eliseo lead a movement when he can't even spell?

Who is he anyway? Some guy who didn't get a liquor store permit?

Or shilling for such folks?

You might hate Antonio but he ain't doing anything that the other council folks are. If you have to recall Antonio, you have to recall them all.

May 09, 2005 11:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

8,000 SIGNATURES? Ha!

Hey recall FAKES -- turn in your 8,000 signatures so the clerk can at least count them to see how many valid sigs you got.

But for a single moment, i'll accept your 8,000 signatures -- if you subtract the 20% usual unvalid rate that puts your number at 6,400 real signatures.

What's 6,400 of the total district -- less than 10% of the voters signed your petition -- meaning that Antonio has close to my original 81% approval rating.

Also it's sad that Eliseo wasn't even able to collect enough signatures to match Nick Pacheco's vote totals. So sad, so dumb.

You guys lost when you had Elseo " I can't write a song" be your lead organizer.

And Hahn lost this election when he was denied the sales tax more cops ballot initiative.

blog away dum-dums!

May 09, 2005 11:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is not "pitition" Spanish for petition? anon 11:37

May 09, 2005 11:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

How does someone qualify to be a PROGRESSIVE when they never make any PROGRESS (except with their political career), no movement in CD14 projects, ONE minor initiative in city council, no movement on any other front.

I think the "progressive" movement may need yank ADV's credentials. He's more of a "regressive" 20th century dinosaur.

May 09, 2005 11:53 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

A REALLY SOMBER THOUGHT FOR TODAY

Think of it for a moment; CD 14 is the only place in the world I know of where you can fail by about half and still be praised for a "valiant effort".

This is exactly what coddling our children and limiting competition has done for us. Just make them "feel good" about themselves. Ugh.

This is what affirmative action has done for us.

No longer is success the American Dream, all you have to do now is try hard and fail and you receive praise from the fools.

So much for "affirmative action" policy.

May 09, 2005 12:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT has proven to many of us who post here that he is indeed uneducated and very very immature. I will at least give Eliseo much credit and commend his efforts. At least he wasn't a whiner and complainer like the ADV lovers like MEAT and decided not to just sit back but try and do something. Regardless of what MEAT and ADV lovers think he can at least be proud that he attempted what he was passionate about. Too bad I can't say the same for the ADV lovers who just whine and complain because they're supporting a candidate who supports gang bangers and child abusers. Thank You Eliseo and I TRULY ADMIRE YOUR COURAGE

May 09, 2005 12:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT spouts:

"What's 6,400 of the total district -- less than 10% of the voters signed your petition -- meaning that Antonio has close to my original 81% approval rating."

So here's the reality, finally coming out.

Its WAS just MEAT's "approval rating" that was 81 percent (he's tried every other lying, conniving, anonymous wrangle to prove he actually didn't screw the pooch on that one). Just fess up, MEATY... it was "your" approval rating, not based on any fact -- or else it would be posted somewhere ANYWHERE but here, under your "signature." ADV had NEVER had an 81 percent approval rating in CD14, and never will... not at his HIGHEST peak could he hope tof that...

To make that last attempt at justification for your lies ANYthing like true, you would have to be suggesting the the poorly funded, grass roots recall effort (run by 5 sleazy bar owners, remember??) actually REACHED every voter in the district and all BUT 8,000 said "NO, I won't sign it, I love our absentee councilmember whose done NOTHING for me in two years." PLEASE, get a grip in something besides your johnson for once.

I'd bet the people that actually were contacted about signing said no is less than 50 percent.

WHAT a meat-headed moron, and mathematical retard. Stick to trying to prove 80 invisible neighborhood watches exist, little half-breed. You can't do that either, but 80 is 1 less than 81 (trust me, that's mathematically correct).

But MEAT, why is YOUR approval rating for ADV only 81 percent, I thought he was your boy 100 percent? Is it because he STILL won't let you tag around with the big boys -- Ace and Parke still tell you to "go play on the blog?"
HA!!

May 09, 2005 12:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The new Hahn signs ARE in Mexican Flag colors.

The guy smears immigrants to reeps and white people and then turns around and panders to latinos.

What a Hypocrite.

May 09, 2005 12:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well, kind of pastel Mexican flag colors, like rose and sea mist maybe. I think he's going for the "interior decorator" vote too, if you know what I mean.

- HAL NITWIT

May 09, 2005 12:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

In CD14, previous derisive blogger, people are praised for attempting to succeed.

The recall tried to set an example for the young people of the district and say "we will not support and continue to pay someone who intentionally deceives and lies to us."

8,000 people signed that, in a very short period of time, through grass roots efforts, using a tiny fraction of the amount of money ADV has collected for his campaign (as advances on HIS "pay for play" in office).

Many of those people KNEW that their names would become public record and that they might have to deal with the highly vindictive nature of ADV and his krew. Many others, no doubt, didn't sign out of fear of reprisals and being branded a "traitor" by ADV's cult following.

I didn't sign the recall for that very reason. I have things to do in my community, and ADV's vengance and payback is not only widely known -- it's been the entire rationale for his last two campaigns.

With a paid staff of dozens and millions of dollars of city money in hand, ADV now brags about "mobilizing 6,000" in two years time in CD14 to do cleanups for a few hours on a Saturday (and the real number is probably half that).

To his rabid follower here, "mobilizing" (or busing in)people for a half dozen cleanups for a few hours is a GREAT accomplishment for two years of highly paid work, while getting 8,000 to sign a risky petition, on a shoestring, in just a few months is a "defeat" and failure. The failure would have been not to try and hold ADV to his own "standard" of "I keep my promises!"

Boy, are you people upside down and backwards.

Taking on a sitting councilmember who's screwed the community repeatedly by putting your name on the line, when he MAY also become mayor IS brave.

Showing up to push a broom and shake hands with that corrupt politician so he can hyperinflate the numbers, for show. is just being sheep.

ADV deserved to be recalled if any city politican ever has. He is a self-admitted liar who broke the central promise of his city council campaign, and then topped it off with more lies about having done something of merit in the district, when he did NOTHING.

There is justice, it just sometimes takes time. If he isn't turned back at the polls next week, he'll be unmasked as the conman that he is fairly early in his first term, and the city as a whole won't be as forgiving as his district has been. There will be a LOT more money at the disposal of someone wanting to recall him as mayor once his newest dirt surfaces -- that is, if law enforcement doesn't catch up to his crooked behind, first.

May 09, 2005 12:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, ADV didn't even "fail by half" in his district. If he had even done HALF the things he promised, the recall would have never started in the first place.

He failed by WHOLE. NO projects conpleted, NO new initiatives. NO attendance at neighborhood council meetings. NO decrease in gang homicides.

ADV is the biggest failure in ALL of CD14. With the mandate he had, he could have set the district on fire with new, good, activities.

Instead, he settling for sweeping dirt into the gutter for show on a couple saturdays, and getting GW Bush elected president.

May 09, 2005 12:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn supporters will post issues and debate on what the ADV lovers ask even if its negative. We will reply. The ADV lovers will not respond to questions people post because they have no clue. Here's my questions. Lets see if any of those ADV lovers can answer.
WHY would Antonio vote against a bill in assembly that would have given stiffer penalities to child abusers when death resulted?
WHY would Antonio oppose gang injunctions especially when his own district has 34?
WHY haven't any of the ADV people posted evidence of the 80 "created" neighborhood watches that LAPD officers at both Hollenbeck and Northeast have stated emphatically don't exist.To answer simply state the date they were created and the Senior Officer liason. That way the people are protected (MEAT's excuse for ignorning us)

May 09, 2005 12:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, I live in the 14th District too. And I didn't sign the recall because, well, I never saw anyone circulating it. Ever. Anywhere. Not once in, what, 6 months.

For the next time, Eliseo, try planting volunteers in front of stores with the "pitition" affixed to a clipboard. Bring some pens along -- more than one in case it runs out of ink. Open your mouth and ask people to sign. That might work.

May 09, 2005 12:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who is Eliseo? Better yet, who cares. What a dumb shit. Boca grande.

May 09, 2005 12:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Want to bet the newspapers have some fun with the recall news... especially since ADV has been drifting for weeks?

"Signs of Growing Disatisfaction in Villar's Base of Support"

Latino-led protests at the Kerry Rally, 8,000 signatures from one district for his recall, no noticeable support among community leaders in his OWN district, more Hahn signs that Villaraigosa in key areas of his district.

What if Tony's courted enough to get half the African American vote away from Hahn, but is losing Latino's (a larger subgroup) by the truckload at home while he plays in other people's districts?

SOUNDS like a good human interest angle. With tons of money, is Antonio the "profit without honor among his own?"

You better believe it...

May 09, 2005 12:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

SO, what is it... was the recall poorly run and underfunded, and that's why only 8K signatures, or did they actually REACH every voter in the district and were overpowered by ADV's mythical "81 percent approval rating" (not EVEN in his own home, bubba).

You can't have it both ways... five sleazy bar owners running a a "fake" recall, or REAL and significant becaus it means it was just overpowered by Tony's charisma.

Pick a spin and stick with it... neither one is true, so jump on whichever one will get the most ADV groupies rocks off here.

Hey, when you're done patting Tony on the back for only pissing off 8,000 registered voters (who could be reached) in two years, then go join the flock of groupies in Santa Maria praying poor Jacko won't get beat up by the "bad people" either. Your groups have a LOT in common.

May 09, 2005 12:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yeah, Antonio is losing latinos to a white guy bashing them daily on republican talk radio.

You people live in a fantasy world.

As to the spurious bullshit charges against Antonio - they are all out of context bill amendment votes. But you already knew that. This is just a jab missing the mark once again.

It is equally valid to ask "Why did Jimmy Hahn let all those women get killed and beat-up by their husbands after Jimmy let them out of jail?"

"Why did Jimmy hand over a bunch of contracts to his friends circumbenting the bidding process?"

"Why did Jimmy check himself into those 'exhaustion' centers 3 times?"

I could go on.

May 09, 2005 12:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

BOY, you blog owners really have a hard on for Hal Netkin. You give him more free publicity than the rest of the media outlets combined.

May 09, 2005 12:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I live in CD14 as well and never once saw a petition! I have however seen Hahn's stupid Mexican colored signs posted all over Huntington Drive! and the Green and black signs all over South LA!! What do you think the Mayor is trying to say?

May 09, 2005 12:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What part of "no bid required" on the rules of the mayor's discretionary funds do you not understand?

Should he waste time getting bids when they're not required?

Should he rush out to do business with people he DOESN'T know and has no idea if he can trust them to do good work, when he has people he's worked with before that he does trust?

(And just because he's done business with them before, and maybe shared a meal doesn't mean they're all "friends"). You people act like anyone who's ever taken a meeting with Hahn is some fraternity brother or lodge buddy he's sworn to protect from prosecution.

YOU area the one's in deep fantasy mode. To throw support to a candidate like ADV, who has systematically broken EVERY campaign promise from 2003 in the first two years in office, is even beyond fantasy - it's insanity.

May 09, 2005 12:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What part of "the federal government should enforce the immigration laws of the country" is "Latino bashing?"

Ask the legit citizens on the Eastside who are having to work for 2/3 of past wages because there's a glut of cheap illegal labor, how "pro-Latino" open borders are.

Hahn has never bashed Latinos on radio - ever... that's a myth only Tony's toadies would spread, and even they don't believe it.

ADV has shown the MOST disrespect to Latinos, of all. Lying to their faces and stepping on them for personal political gain.

Say it again, it's catching on...

"Villaraigosa NO es el hombre de su palabra!"

May 09, 2005 12:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT how chicken you are anon 12:40pm. You're so dumb you've posted this before using your name and now you're afraid to re-post with your MEAT. Hahn has more Latino commissioners then any other Mayor. Antonio is the one with all the signs pretending to be someone he's not. "Antonio for ALL of LA." How embarrassing to have to pronouce your name VEE-YA-RA-GOSA on the poster. People are asking who's Antonio???????

May 09, 2005 2:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Assembly majority leader is Antonio Villaraigosa, ex-MEChA (Moviemento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan) activist and former president of the Southern California ACLU. Assemblyman Villaraigosa was the only Latino elected official to speak at the Latino March in Washington, D.C., where he touted the legislation promoted by the Latino leadership in Sacramento and spoke fervently about the right of "undocumented people" to free medical care and education through college. He demanded another amnesty for those living in the U.S. illegally.

Last May, Speaker Villaraigosa joined Mexican President Zedillo in addressing the California Legislature. Although both men are thoroughly fluent in English, they both made their speeches in Spanish. Then Villariagosa stood and began the Chicano handclap. Without knowing what they were doing -- as calls to their offices confirmed -- the rest of the legislators joined this spirited display of ethnic nationalism and started clapping, too.

Any high school or college student in Southern California has heard this sound -- clap-clap, clap-clap-clap -- and understands its meaning. Like displaying the Mexican flag, it is the MEChA trademark clap and hails Chicano power.

When Speaker Villairogosa was campaigning on behalf of 46th District Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, he advised voters in Spanish that "Congressional welfare reform was an attack on our people, intended to punish our immigrant companions and to punish our community."

May 09, 2005 2:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The frontrunner in the race to be the next mayor of the "City of Angels" is no angel himself, says a California family advocacy group. In fact, says the group, Antonio Villaraigosa has one of the worst records on family values and religious freedom in the state's history. "Villaraigosa is against the Boy Scouts, against protecting marriage for a man and a woman, against religious freedom, and against parental rights," says Randy Thomasson, president of the Campaign for Children and Families. And there is more, Thomasson says. "If elected mayor, Villaraigosa would truly be 'the ACLU Mayor,'" he says. The CCF leader points out that in the early 1990s, the mayoral candidate was president of the Southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, during which time he "relentlessly attacked" the Scouts, promoted homosexual "marriage," and persecuted religious values. And according to Thomasson, Villaraigosa -- as a member of the California State Assembly -- authored two "ultra-liberal" bills: one targeting religious businesses that prohibited the hiring of open homosexuals, and one requiting that high school student be taught to appreciate sexual orientation as a condition of graduation. Both bills were signed into law by then-Governor Gray Davis. Thomasson calls Villaraigosa a "deceptive" candidate who, if elected, will use his "unbridled power to undermine, attack, and destroy basic family values." [Jody Brown]

May 09, 2005 2:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Recall was not a valiant effort. It was a bunch of amateurs clinging on to the hope that someone will fund them without having a clue of how to actually run a campaign. There is enough opposition in CD 14 to recall Tony but this can only be accomplished by an organized effort. No game plan, no mail, no door knocking - just wishful thinking. That's what you guys get for waiting for that Hertzberg money. Next time, when someone promises you $150K for a campaign, ask for the money up front. It's too bad because had the recall effort gained traction, it would be Hertzberg in the runoff right now.

May 09, 2005 3:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

hey! way to quote the Campaign for Children and Families, a right-wing republican apologist and gay-hate group.

man, i can't imagine ANYBODY more credible on family values issues than right-wing christians and republicans.

why, here's one exchange with another wacko anti-abortionist that appeared on the radio with alan colmes:

Bizarre Sex Habits of The Extreme Right-Wing

In the course of the interview, however, Colmes asked anti-abortion extremist Neal Horsley, chair about his background, including a statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality sex.

At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the media, people jump to believe it."

"Is it true?" Colmes asked.

"Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..."

AC: "You had sex with animals?"

NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule."

AC: "I'm not so sure that that is so."

NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?"

AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?"

NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..."

May 09, 2005 4:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

3:03 p.m. Anon -- you may be right about the recall being ill-fated, but don't diss the people behind it for trying... Since ADV's debilitating presence descended on CD14, they are only two types of political animals work -- the well-meaning amateurs, and the well-paid, but truthless "pro" conmen than surround the council office.

Better to have tried. ADV's yess men tell him there's NO opposition in his district - he's shocked when he gets the slightest backtalk in public settings, because they're sheltered him from any unrest.

He's Nixon on the left, surprised that Watergate ended up being "such a big deal." Guys like that fall on their own soon enough.

May 09, 2005 5:46 PM  

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